From John Verity, May 15, 2013:
I imagine you're aware of the doc. film shot at CIDOC in the mid-1970s by a German guy named Gordian Troeller. I once bought a low-quality version of this from a German website:
https://cpmediaload.com/?page=download&addr=Gordian_Troeller-Im_Namen_des_Fortschritts_09-Kein_Respekt_vor_Heiligen_Kuehen
It includes footage of the big celebration held at the closing of CIDOC. You can see a small section here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAzm-KeZenA
I hope you don't mind, Sajay shared with me the transcript and translation of the 1972 French TV interview with Illich. I am wondering if those are your work, or someone else's?
I thought I had landed a scoop when I recently found that video for sale in France (I paid!), from an archive, but evidently not. I mentioned it on my blog and then, Sajay very quickly produced the transcripts that you'd provided to him a week earlier and someone else (a Marty Kent, out here in Calif.) wrote to point out that the program has been posted publicly on the Vimeo site:
To: Clarke Mackey <clarke.mackey@queensu.ca>
Subject: Fwd: French TV program
Clarke:
I'm forwarding this e-mail from my friend John Verity in California, as I thought you would like to know of the existence of the German film to which he links. I also told him I would seek your permission to put the transcript and translation of the Illich/Domenach film on his web-site, New Scare City which has a very good collection of Illich material. (http://backpalm.blogspot.ca/) My friend Sajay had sent it to him, and he wrote to me about it. Would that be all right?
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Clarke Mackey <clarke.mackey@queensu.ca> wrote:
David,
I would be pleased if the translation is posted on that site. Permission granted. And thanks for the information about the German film. The excerpt on Youtube contains some great footage of CIDOC. Looks like archival footage is starting to reveal itself thanks to new technologies.
Aug.31, 2026, Jutta to Clarke
Back in 2013 you wrote this (in response to a request by John Verity):
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Clarke Mackey <clarke.mackey@queensu.ca> wrote:
David,
I would be pleased if the translation is posted on that site. Permission granted. And thanks for the information about the German film. The excerpt on Youtube contains some great footage of CIDOC. Looks like archival footage is starting to reveal itself thanks to new technologies.
The links you were referring to were these:
I imagine you're aware of the doc. film shot at CIDOC in the mid-1970s by a German guy named Gordian Troeller. I once bought a low-quality version of this from a German website:
It includes footage of the big celebration held at the closing of CIDOC. You can see a small section here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAzm-KeZenA
But neither of them work anymore. Does that mean they're gone from the universe?
Aug.31, 2026, from Clarke:
Yes, it’s possible they have disappeared from the universe. But there might be some other YouTube videos worth looking at. In YouTube’s search bar, put in “Illich CIDOC” and you will get some interesting hits including one video that appears to be made by Gordian Troeller. None include the footage of CIDOC described in the emails, as far as I can tell
Aug.31, 2026 from Jutta to Clarke
wow, good suggestion to put in “Illich CIDOC” . I just watched this film "No Respect for Sacred Cows":
German film with good English subtitles 1976, when Cidoc was closing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epD932IBF_Yb
That's the main one I found that was accessible to me. So good to see a film with accurate (hand-made!) English subtitles. I looked up Gordian Troeller but found only this German wikipedia entry:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Troeller
Was he the person who made that film?
Aug.31, 2026
Yes, I suspect that’s the movie we were talking about.